Fitting a square peg into a round hole
Fitting a square peg into a round hole
Well since my sedan got nicked at the beginning of the year the use of it by the Mrs became a bit of a bad idea, considering the circumstances in which wee got it back we decided that it was probably too obvious of a car to leave right back where it was nicked from so we bought a nice diesel for her to use as a daily.
So, I got to play with it more than I would of.
Now originally I wanted to stick a derv lump into it, because she was driving it. her new car means no point to that.
So what other swaps can be done reasonably easily but taking the view of a pikey budget...
Take one working MB6.
Drive it home 200 miles to be sure it's all ok and break it for the running gear.
Sell a couple of bits and weigh in the shell.
For bonus points, chose to break it at the same time as 3 others appear on the various fourms you go on
Hybrid the wiring harness so that it's all completely removeable (well, just because), thus transplating to new shells is easy enough.
Fuel tank from a 16V (thanks Sordfish), re-using the 8mm hard pipe and run a 6mm rubber pipe from the tank through to the fuel rail. Clip into holes on chassis conveniently left by Mr Honda.
As this car was a manual it had been converted by welding a plate over the auto shifter cables.
Well I discovered in the MB6 that they are all made to be autos!
They fit a plate to fit the shifter hole and a rubber bung for the cables.
The bung would have fit the sedan but the welded plate is doing nicely.
However the metal work fits the sedan like it was designed to and fills in some of the gaps which were previously there. Only two holes to drill. The stock ones get covered up by the plate and a rubber on it
Sparing no expense, the shifter linkage from the MB6 was also trimmed down to fit the sedan
As per a recent thread (which is why I've taken some piccies) I've retained the stock cluster.
This came with a VSS which I've wired up to the ECU and also the choke light is now CEL.
Cute
Also like the idea of the engine redline being way beyond that of the cluster and at some point I will have the speedo off the clock on some drag strip.
I might reuse the gear indicators as a shift light, or actually use them as gear indicators !!
I've retained the stock imobillisor from the MB6 too, although I have a clifford to go on at some point. Recycled from an old CRX in fact. Just fitted the same deal to the Mrs new car as I had a few from various broken hondas.
Here is the rub, if you'll pardon the pun.
The B18C4 is a little too tall.
You can probably see the bonnet is a little proud. Well I've dropped the mounts a touch and it's still touching the underside. I think a B16 would have been ok with it. Looks like I'll have to trim the underside of the bonnet webbing. I was reluctant to do this as this was a good bonnet, but like a total utter tit I've just left something on top of the valve cover and slammed the bonnet on it, so hacking will commence this weekend for clearance.
Insurance starts at beginning off August, so then let the fettling begin
I've driven it 10ft so far, mainly wheel spinning mos of the way across my concrete paving slabs to test for engine deflection in the custom mounts I built.
Didn't want too spend much on mounts, so I made stock ones fit with a bit of cutting and welding here and there.
Currently got a hasport cable hydro shifter but I will replace that.
I converted the stock pedal box to use a hydro master cylinder and them promptly lost the damn slave cylinder
Again, the ethos being don't spend what you can DIY !
Spec (so far...):
nominous engine mounts - have welder and scars to prove it.
D2's - refurbs, lighter springs up front. Might need to change back now it has a B18 in it !!
Wedsport 15's - nearly in need of two new tyres. August should probably sort that !!
282mm front calieprs with 262mm discs
rear drums - will be swapping the prop valve and going for a 1" MC. Might be swapping to MB6 rear calipers (with custom mounting) if I can rebuild the damn things first.
B18C4 with S9B, stock ECU - P28 easy swap but need alarm first!
Bone stock interior, other than gear stick.
2" powerflow in need of replacement - 2.5" nearly ready for it plus replacement for OEM manifold.
Coming soon, ploy bushes, derust of suspension bits.
Extended ball joints, camber adjustment and full align.
Adaption of PAS to fit the B18.
Might fit my meisters. They've been in thee loft for probably a year waiting to go on the shuttle, but Gizmo will have his running 500bhp before I ever get around to finishing it.
This is going to be the winter car. The shuttle the summer one. So this needs a bit more work to finish it and finally I can have something fun to drive cos it's been a damn long time !!
So, I got to play with it more than I would of.
Now originally I wanted to stick a derv lump into it, because she was driving it. her new car means no point to that.
So what other swaps can be done reasonably easily but taking the view of a pikey budget...
Take one working MB6.
Drive it home 200 miles to be sure it's all ok and break it for the running gear.
Sell a couple of bits and weigh in the shell.
For bonus points, chose to break it at the same time as 3 others appear on the various fourms you go on
Hybrid the wiring harness so that it's all completely removeable (well, just because), thus transplating to new shells is easy enough.
Fuel tank from a 16V (thanks Sordfish), re-using the 8mm hard pipe and run a 6mm rubber pipe from the tank through to the fuel rail. Clip into holes on chassis conveniently left by Mr Honda.
As this car was a manual it had been converted by welding a plate over the auto shifter cables.
Well I discovered in the MB6 that they are all made to be autos!
They fit a plate to fit the shifter hole and a rubber bung for the cables.
The bung would have fit the sedan but the welded plate is doing nicely.
However the metal work fits the sedan like it was designed to and fills in some of the gaps which were previously there. Only two holes to drill. The stock ones get covered up by the plate and a rubber on it
Sparing no expense, the shifter linkage from the MB6 was also trimmed down to fit the sedan
As per a recent thread (which is why I've taken some piccies) I've retained the stock cluster.
This came with a VSS which I've wired up to the ECU and also the choke light is now CEL.
Cute
Also like the idea of the engine redline being way beyond that of the cluster and at some point I will have the speedo off the clock on some drag strip.
I might reuse the gear indicators as a shift light, or actually use them as gear indicators !!
I've retained the stock imobillisor from the MB6 too, although I have a clifford to go on at some point. Recycled from an old CRX in fact. Just fitted the same deal to the Mrs new car as I had a few from various broken hondas.
Here is the rub, if you'll pardon the pun.
The B18C4 is a little too tall.
You can probably see the bonnet is a little proud. Well I've dropped the mounts a touch and it's still touching the underside. I think a B16 would have been ok with it. Looks like I'll have to trim the underside of the bonnet webbing. I was reluctant to do this as this was a good bonnet, but like a total utter tit I've just left something on top of the valve cover and slammed the bonnet on it, so hacking will commence this weekend for clearance.
Insurance starts at beginning off August, so then let the fettling begin
I've driven it 10ft so far, mainly wheel spinning mos of the way across my concrete paving slabs to test for engine deflection in the custom mounts I built.
Didn't want too spend much on mounts, so I made stock ones fit with a bit of cutting and welding here and there.
Currently got a hasport cable hydro shifter but I will replace that.
I converted the stock pedal box to use a hydro master cylinder and them promptly lost the damn slave cylinder
Again, the ethos being don't spend what you can DIY !
Spec (so far...):
nominous engine mounts - have welder and scars to prove it.
D2's - refurbs, lighter springs up front. Might need to change back now it has a B18 in it !!
Wedsport 15's - nearly in need of two new tyres. August should probably sort that !!
282mm front calieprs with 262mm discs
rear drums - will be swapping the prop valve and going for a 1" MC. Might be swapping to MB6 rear calipers (with custom mounting) if I can rebuild the damn things first.
B18C4 with S9B, stock ECU - P28 easy swap but need alarm first!
Bone stock interior, other than gear stick.
2" powerflow in need of replacement - 2.5" nearly ready for it plus replacement for OEM manifold.
Coming soon, ploy bushes, derust of suspension bits.
Extended ball joints, camber adjustment and full align.
Adaption of PAS to fit the B18.
Might fit my meisters. They've been in thee loft for probably a year waiting to go on the shuttle, but Gizmo will have his running 500bhp before I ever get around to finishing it.
This is going to be the winter car. The shuttle the summer one. So this needs a bit more work to finish it and finally I can have something fun to drive cos it's been a damn long time !!
Re: Fitting a square peg into a round hole
Awesome!!!
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B18 sedan :O thats fookin epic i want lol nice work man
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Nice one Dave.
Why i cant do something like this? lol
Why i cant do something like this? lol
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But you did ? Nice A9 into a DX shell.Louis wrote: Why i cant do something like this? lol
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Nice one.
Did you manage to get the wheels back when it was stolen?
Did you manage to get the wheels back when it was stolen?
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Re: Fitting a square peg into a round hole
Nar they are long gone.
Tho I did find out what they were. I forget again now, but they are standard fitment on something Italian so on ebay from time to time.
I like the Wed's due to the crazy Engrish written on them, but Mrs suggestion of Tein green on the originals may happen again if I were to find a cheap set. Dunno.
Tho I did find out what they were. I forget again now, but they are standard fitment on something Italian so on ebay from time to time.
I like the Wed's due to the crazy Engrish written on them, but Mrs suggestion of Tein green on the originals may happen again if I were to find a cheap set. Dunno.
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Dude I mite hit you up on helping me convert my sedan later in the year
How did you find the wiring??
How did you find the wiring??
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I like wiring, so generally ok.
Not having a manual for the MB6 wasn't a huge help, but once all the plastic and tape was off it's just a question of figuring out what to chop out.
Then just shortening everything, cutting out unneeded bits and extending a couple of wires.
Lots of heatshrink and soldering really and the old measure twice cut once.
I busted a faithful old iron in the progess, I've had it 20 years
Once you seperate the PGMFI stuff the rest of the loom it's only about 8 wires that actually need to be hooked up beween the two looms.
The adapter loom in the engine bay just takes the oil light, alternator light, RPM signal, temperature plus some power wires back to the main harness.
TBH the wiring took a good while. But it paid off cos the car started up first time without any mis-wires.
Not having a manual for the MB6 wasn't a huge help, but once all the plastic and tape was off it's just a question of figuring out what to chop out.
Then just shortening everything, cutting out unneeded bits and extending a couple of wires.
Lots of heatshrink and soldering really and the old measure twice cut once.
I busted a faithful old iron in the progess, I've had it 20 years
Once you seperate the PGMFI stuff the rest of the loom it's only about 8 wires that actually need to be hooked up beween the two looms.
The adapter loom in the engine bay just takes the oil light, alternator light, RPM signal, temperature plus some power wires back to the main harness.
TBH the wiring took a good while. But it paid off cos the car started up first time without any mis-wires.
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Oh my..
Sounds like a mission but im not one to be deterred.
Sounds like a mission but im not one to be deterred.
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Re: Fitting a square peg into a round hole
Looks like the peg was a lot smaller than the hole.
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b18 4g's ....loved mine
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Re: Fitting a square peg into a round hole
Stock MB6 ECU at present. Staying as is till the alarm goes in.
Then yes, I will probably switch out the ECU for a P28 with IAB support and have a play with it.
Then yes, I will probably switch out the ECU for a P28 with IAB support and have a play with it.